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Poster: portmcgroin Date: Jan 23, 2011 4:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Collectors Win E72 Sold Out

http://www.dead.net/features/release-info/holy-s-it-s-complete-europe-72-box-over-60-discs but you can still get all the music minus the BS for the same price.

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Poster: gdtrfb1 Date: Jan 23, 2011 12:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Collectors Win E72 Sold Out

I am so glad I got off my butt and got all 22 shows in soundboard free before they shut it down. Worked on it the last three days. Who needs the case, I got the music.

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 24, 2011 12:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Collectors Win E72 Sold Out

It's funny, I had been on a huge E72 kick in the days leading up to this release. Having listened to several of the shows available for streaming here at LMA, I must say the quality is very good on most of the recordings. I'd expect the new release to improve the sound quality on some of the shows but not all. There are several remasters here which are nearly flawless.

I simply could not justify $450 for more Grateful Dead music. So, I'll be left with the scraps I've been sent by mail and collected over the years. I hope I survive.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Jan 23, 2011 5:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Collectors Win E72 Sold Out

This doesn't seem to be getting much play but the quality of the recordings being used for this release are head and shoulders above your average vault release,and the technology being applied in the transfer I would assume to be cutting edge,thus yielding a fine product.So whatever is out there now will be rendered obsolete by these superior recordings.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Jan 23, 2011 8:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Collectors Win E72 Sold Out

This raises a fascinating question: will any of the speculators who ordered multiple copies of the original trunk feel betrayed by the releases of non-limited similar set and either cancel or reduce their orders? I suspect that happened in a few cases when the 3CD Fillmore 1969 sampler was released. In that case, who will get first dibs on the freed-up copies: the people who submitted requests unsuccessfully in the first batch, or the people who first submitted requests for the non-limited set?

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Jan 23, 2011 9:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Collectors Win E72 Sold Out

This whole thing is kind of fishy. I have a "wristband" e-mail reservation to buy a copy, but I have not placed that order yet. How many of me did they count as buyers before they declared that the set was sold out?

On a more paranoid track, could they have intentionally intensified the demand by making it impossible to order, then handing out a bunch of wristbands and declaring it sold out - making those of us who have a wristband but who might have been on the fence about handing over $500, immediately say "holy shit, I have a reservation - I'd BETTER buy a copy!"

I don't know about y'all, but I'm feeling really manipulated here.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 23, 2011 8:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Collectors Win E72 Sold Out

Screw the speculators. Serves them right for trying to make a profit on this stuff. Perhaps it will stop that type of behavior and the people who really want these limited edition releases for the purpose of enjoying them, will not feel as pressured to spend a day on their computer trying to figure out how to get through the dead.net server issues.

As for the effect of the '69 FW 3 CD release, not much. The box is still going for $250 used and $1000 new at amazon.com.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Jan 23, 2011 8:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Collectors Win E72 Sold Out

I agree about the speculators.

That $250 FW69 on Amazon is missing disc 9. The complete sets in VG or better condition on ebay consistently go for $400-600.

Another question that occurs to me: are the MUSIC ONLY versions of the E72 set also limited? The description of the original offer said it was "build to order" based on the number of sets ordered by 4-1. Is that still true for the music only versions? If so, they too ought to be sold out and thus collectibles as soon as they're released, but just not as collectible as the original 7200.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 23, 2011 8:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Collectors Win E72 Sold Out

Hope you managed to get your order through in time, el - don't want to hear any heavy sighs of regret when birthday time rolls around!

Noticed yesterday that a record dealer here in the UK is saying they'll have copies on offer in September, though how they plan to acquire them for resale legitimately is a mystery to me if I understand the terms of the Rhino offer correctly. The other thing that caused a sharp intake of breath was the price they were quoting of £500. Given that $450 equates to about £280 today that's a hell of a mark up, even taking shipping and the vagaries of the exchange market into account. They can shove that offer where the sun don't shine as far as I'm concerned.

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Poster: snori Date: Jan 23, 2011 12:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Collectors Win E72 Sold Out

I was told at lunchtime that it was being offered as a prize on Planet Rock this morning - probably on a premium line wth a question like 'Which year did this tour take place ?'

The fact that it sold out solves a dilemna for me. I wanted it (I need more shows !) but when I went to Dead.net I was a bit relieved that it was no longer available as I was struggling to justify to myself parting with that much money.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 23, 2011 1:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Collectors Win E72 Sold Out

I started to look on the HMRC website to see if there was any easy way of calculating what the combined excise duty/import VAT hit would be on getting the E72 steamer trunk into the country but I began to feel my lifeforce ebbing away and got out while I still could.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jan 23, 2011 1:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Collectors Win E72 Sold Out

"...but I began to feel my lifeforce ebbing away and got out while I still could."

holy crap, too funny by far Rob!, and yet, i do sometimes feel the same when trudging through some of the threads on this board, or, sitting in a meeting at work, or, a thousand other encounters...

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 23, 2011 1:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Collectors Win E72 Sold Out

Well we only have so much lifeforce to go round after all.

We ought to catch up off forum some time - I know you're not big on reading emails and I'm hopeless at getting down to writing them so we're at a disadvantage right away, but the thought's there!

Hope all is well in Arbworld.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Jan 23, 2011 8:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Collectors Win E72 Sold Out

Agreed. And hey there, Cliff!

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 23, 2011 5:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Collectors Win E72 Sold Out

Hey Lou,

Happy Happy!

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 23, 2011 8:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Collectors Win E72 Sold Out

Happy to say i did. After their system crashed, they were taking reservations and early this morning i received the secret code for ordering mine. I did and got the confirmation before i hit the tennis courts this morning. And to show how worried i am about the value of this thing after i got it, i had it personalized to say something that could only lower its actual value:

Larry's midlife crisis

Had i known about the UK aftermarket i might have done things differently. Damn is the exchange really that bad for us right now? It was about 1:1.5 last time i was there. Hope that gets better by March or you are going to have to buy the pints.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 24, 2011 12:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Collectors Win E72 Sold Out

That's great L! Hmmm, wrote my query above before reading this thread...suppose others think this seems odd, ie, how the whole thing is "sorted" by DEAD store folk, but oh well--I am easily confused!

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Poster: Granola Pilgrim Date: Jan 23, 2011 5:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Collectors Win E72 Sold Out

This is fantastic. Sold out in 4 days. It leaves absolutely no doubt that we want this type of release and we're willing to pay for it. It almost forces GD/Rhino to release more box sets and complete shows. At the very least, it has to make them take us serious when we continue to ask for something over and over again. Now if they could just find those missing '70 boards I've been wanting forever.

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Poster: waynecs Date: Jan 24, 2011 5:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Collectors Win E72 Sold Out

When I first got the email about this I was on the fence about ordering.I'm glad I got off it and reserved it when I did.

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Poster: Ole Uncle John Date: Jan 24, 2011 11:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Collectors Win E72 Sold Out

I'm glad the 5-6 shows not yet in circulation soon will be. I hope the free copies I get sound as good as I hope.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 24, 2011 11:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Collectors Win E72 Sold Out

"I'm glad the 5-6 shows not yet in circulation soon will be..."

Which 5-6 shows are you referring to?

Every show from the tour circulates and almost all of them in very good to excellent sound quality. The sound quality of several of the circulating remasters are among the very best from any era.

4/29 is really the only performance in need of a sonic upgrade (and perhaps the first set of 4/7) and only 5/25 is incomplete.

I am wondering what the vault remaster of the 5/16 Radio Luxembourg show is going to sound like. I wouldnt be surprised if sbd.unknown.10353.sbeok.shnf sounds better than the vault release...

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jan 24, 2011 12:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Collectors Win E72 Sold Out

http://www.archive.org/post/343872/60-cd-europe-72-box-set-to-be-released

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 24, 2011 1:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Collectors Win E72 Sold Out

"not yet in circulation" is quite a bit different from does not circulate in pristine sound quality!


4/7 Wembley - aud.sirmick.31329.sbeok.flacf is very poor quality (D-). This show needs an upgrade! However the second set jam is on the "Steppin' Out" release and several other highlight were used at the Teper's Section which means that they have been captured and are available if you know where to look or how to ask.


4/11 Newcastle - sbd.jackson.smith.94377.sbeok.flac16 is slightly degraded, a touch muddy with some hiss but it's still pretty good (A-). It's not as brilliant as some of the better recordings from this European tour but there really is not much to complain about. The great Truckin' Jam will benefit from a sonic upgrade.


4/16 Aarhus - The first set is only available in rather poor quality sbd.pset1.hanno.19861.sbeok.shnf (B). The second set sbd.miller.18103.sbeok.shnf sounds better (A-), though still suffers some oversaturation. The second set jam is available from the Taper's Section.


4/29 Hamburg - sbd.sirmick.32877.sbeok.flac16 is a muddy, dull and degraded soundboard recording suffering from hiss, pitch issues and oversaturation (B+). aud.vernon.5250.sbeok.shnf is a decent quality audience recording (A-). This is a phenomenal performance that will be blowing minds when this official release hits mailboxes!


5/7 Bickershaw - sbd-aud.clugston.9193.sbeok.shnf composite file of this performance consists of a fair to poor (hissy/noisey) audience recording of the majority of the show, and a very nice quality master reel sourced soundboard recording of the second set jam and the later portion of the set (B+/A). The second set jam is available at the Taper's Section.


5/25 - sbd.miller.87682.sbeok.flac16 has a touch of hiss but is still very good (A/A-). It's also incomplete so it's going to be nice the hear the end of the set for the first time! Uncle John's Band> Wharf Rat> Dark Star> Sugar Magnolia are available from the Taper's Section.

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Jan 24, 2011 9:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Collectors Win E72 Sold Out

Rhino learned nothing from the Fillmore West 69 boxset. Put "limited edition" on a release and thieves come out in force. Those goddamned CDs won't be delivered for more than 6 months; yet opening bids on FleaBay are already at $1500. The artists will get none of these obscene tax free profits.

Those at the top of the food chain don't even care about this dirty racket. A band member will probably deliver an autographed copy to KPFA and drop it on David Gans's head.

I'll stay with my bootlegs until these Warner Bros. / Rhino idiots change their business practices...

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Poster: Ole Uncle John Date: Jan 30, 2011 8:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Collectors Win E72 Sold Out

I meant 5-6 shows not yet circulating as listenable recordings, sorry for the confusion.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Jan 23, 2011 10:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Collectors Win E72 Sold Out

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you God. I'd actually be happier to pay the money knowing that the *MUSIC* will not become a collector's item, which I think is total bullshit. Go Rhino!

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Poster: portmcgroin Date: Jan 23, 2011 6:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Collectors Win E72 Sold Out

I am happy that they are releasing just the music too, but they should have known that 7,200 would sell out quickly and made more available. They could have based it on the Fillmore West box with 10,000 copies and how quickly those sold out, Or how quickly the Dead tour sold out. I don't understand how you can underestimate deadheads when it comes to the music we buy it. Or send a email out to see how many fans are interested. Why even put a # on it just produce them in batches of 1000 until the demand is not there. If you were allowed to reserve 10 copies that is inviting collectors to come in and snatch them up, I can see 2 copies but 10, who needs 10 copies. I read somewhere that they would not do the limited runs anymore. I can't find where or who said it but its out there somewhere. The last 3 box sets are all not limited editions so why make this one. I think this was the plan from the start. The pieces don't fit if you ordered yours and found out that they made more availible would you cancel your order, I doubt it. Now Rhino gets to sell the same music at a reduced production cost at the same price because it's all about the music and that's what is most important. Or is it cause we stand to make more money off this and it would be stupid from a business perspective not to.WTF

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jan 23, 2011 12:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Collectors Win E72 Sold Out

Wow...took less than 4 days. I thought it would sell out, but I didn't really think it would be so soon. I hope we won't be seeing more of these "limited editions"!

I would guess nowhere near 7200 people actually ordered a set....more like a few thousand ordering multiple sets. There will probably be a lot of cancellations, or at least, lots of these for sale in September...

What is funny is that the reduced-packaging "no book or trunk" set will be the SAME PRICE. I wasn't expecting that...
It's also unclear (to me) just when the 'reduced' set will be available. (After all, we're just going on an act of faith that the original set will be ready in September.)

The store site said that box-set buyers would also be getting "exclusive goodies" over the next few months (without specifying what those were)...I wonder if those will still be limited to the first 7200.

This post was modified by light into ashes on 2011-01-23 20:00:00

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Jan 23, 2011 12:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Collectors Win E72 Sold Out

I'm not at all surprised - a quick check at FB - the GD page has over 700,000 friends. 7200 would be 1% of this fan base, and I think many many more might be interested.

The cynical among us would posit that Rhino stands to make MUCH more profit on the overs - the first 7200, while still profitable, are loss-leaders for the bigger honeypot. I think they could easily sell 70,000 sets - 10% of that universe.

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Jan 23, 2011 7:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Collectors Win E72 Sold Out

The limited edition boxed set sold out, but they are going to sell 10 zillion copies in a smaller box with no buttons.

This is the funniest fucking thing I have ever heard.